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found under a single birch trunk

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:25 pm

In my snake-poor surroundings, we did a sampling for population genetics of isolated relict populations of Salamandra salamandra. While June is hardly the good time of year to go for adults, we managed to find quite a few. A nice surprise was finding these 10 within a tiny area of less than 1m² underneath a single tree trunk.

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note the orange treat
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Re: found under a single birch trunk

Postby Tim Leerschool » Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:13 pm

That's fantastic Jeroen! Amazing find.

Although I have tried numerous times, S. salamandra still illudes me. I've only witnessed 2 adults and a sub-adult. Most trips were hopeless.. and then sometimes I manage to find one.

Within these relict populations. Do you expect inbreeding? Seeing these numbers even under one branch, I suspect a healthy population.

Thanks for sharing!

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Re: found under a single birch trunk

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:22 pm

The population is healthy for sure. Even might be the best in Flanders.
From what I think I know, inbreeding is far less a problem in amphibians than in e.g. mammals.

I see you're located not that far away from Belgium. Feel free to come over for some Salamandra extravaganza ;) .
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Re: found under a single birch trunk

Postby Paul Lambourne » Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:29 pm

Jeroen,

How can you moan about lack of fragilis when ya have such great numbers of salamandra :D great find fella :D I am planning a Belgium visit soon for bullfrog.

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Re: found under a single birch trunk

Postby Tim Leerschool » Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:40 pm

Jeroen Speybroeck wrote:The population is healthy for sure. Even might be the best in Flanders.
From what I think I know, inbreeding is far less a problem in amphibians than in e.g. mammals.

I see you're located not that far away from Belgium. Feel free to come over for some Salamandra extravaganza ;) .


Thanks for your invitation. I'll try to plan something in the near future. I'll keep you posted!

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Re: found under a single birch trunk

Postby Bobby Bok » Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:50 am

Where did you hide that orange one when we were in your "playground" woods? It's very pretty!
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Re: found under a single birch trunk

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:12 pm

Bobby Bok wrote:Where did you hide that orange one when we were in your "playground" woods? It's very pretty!


Had to keep something in store to make you come back one day :lol:
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Re: found under a single birch trunk

Postby Peter Oefinger » Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:22 pm

Amazing :shock:
I have to switch from lizards to amphibians - it just doesn't stop raining here...
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