Karpathos Winter-Snake ??

[GertJan Verspui]

Close to the airport mr B.B. and I found the remains of a snake, it was not difficult to see that it was a Dolichophis, we thought caspius, but are not sure, could it be jagularis....

Mr I.S. , who was mentally with us there, thinks it might be D. jagularis.

Who Knows......

The snake we found was about 110 cm...

THANK YOU!

[Jeroen Speybroeck]

Hmmm... tasty, GJ !

For as far as I would dare to guess... I don't know!

By which I mean to say - I think it's impossible to tell.
Mr I.S. should get his ass to Karpathos and find out. And tell us!

[Bobby Bok]

I concur. Dead snake, difficult to see what species but caspius is known to live on Karpathos so I might imagine it's this species. Also since the coulouration on the remaining scales on the snout seem to point in this direction...

[Jeroen Speybroeck]

Well, what Ilias surely is aiming at, is that it's weird to have caspius so close to jugularis (Rhodos) etc. ...

[Ilias Strachinis]

Well, what Ilias surely is aiming at, is that it's weird to have caspius so close to jugularis (Rhodos) etc. ...

Not exactly, I mean is strange to have caspius so out of range. It stops at Kos and Serifos. (Don't anyone tell me this is a caspius http://www.herpetofauna.at/gallery/rhod ... aspius.htm because it is a nice jugularis ) But I wouldn't bet there are no caspius on the island (Karpathos), it's just too weird to me...

I have to see a living animal to believe, so unless anyone has a photo, I'll have to get my ass there soon indeed

[Matt Wilson]

The distribution of Dolichophis caspius is quite bizarre in the Dodecanese, it is found on Kalimnos, Kos and Nissyros, but isn't found on Symi or Rhodes. The only place I have seen both is Kos, and I have seen photos that 100% prove the presence of caspius on the other islands I mentioned. Some people confuse caspius on these islands with female jugularis, as you know Jeroen from the ones you have seen on Symi, there is quite a difference once you see them close up.
Remembering a photo I had seen, I'm confident that caspius is the commonly occurring snake on Karpathos, but since most people go there in the Winter for the salamanders, it is hard to rule out the presence of jugularis entirely.
Matt

[Jeroen Speybroeck]

In all honesty, these subadults are just too difficult for me... I lack experience and reading knowledge to be sure, so you tell me.

[Mario Schweiger]

Hi!

For the distribution of D. caspius on Karpathos island, please have a look on:

Cattaneo, A. 2010 OSSERVAZIONI SUI RETTILI DELLE ISOLE EGEE DI KARPATHOS E KASOS (DODECANESO MERIDIONALE).-
(Reptilia) Naturalista sicil., S. IV, XXXIV (1-2), 2010, pp. 29-47. PDF-2010

Mario

[Ilias Strachinis]

It's really strange, but this is how it probably is...
(what about Leros then?)

P.s. found this one from Kalymnos: http://kagetavan.blogspot.com/2011/08/g ... 8-149.html it is a caspius

[Mario Schweiger]

On Leros island it is D. jugularis
PDF-2063 in DB

Mario