Too high for a few species?

Too high for a few species?

Postby Niklas Ban » Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:32 pm

Hello,
at the moment I am in Italy (I know a bad timing in the year) and I miss some species which I normally find everytime in Italy also in midsommer like Hemidactylus and Tarentola. So my question: The House where I stay is at 650 meters over the ocean is this to high for some species?

greetz Niklas
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Re: Too high for a few species?

Postby Jürgen Gebhart » Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:51 pm

Surely not too high. I think only the temperatures are too high.
I don`t know where you are, but Podarcis muralis, Podarcis siculus and Lacerta bilineata should be possible, in the early morning hours.
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Re: Too high for a few species?

Postby Niklas Ban » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:18 pm

I am in the Marche and Podacris muralis, sicula, L.billineatas ans Hierophis are very common and I could see them the howl day long. But I wondered last time in summer I saw so much of them at night altough it was pretty hot.
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Re: Too high for a few species?

Postby Jürgen Gebhart » Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:32 pm

Three weeks ago I was in Tuscany. At 9.30 h in the morning we had temperatures around 30 Degrees! Temperatures at Noon about 34 Degrees.
All Herps I found (Podarcis muralis, Podarcis siculus campestris, Lacerta bilineata, Testudo hermanni, Tarantola mauritanica, Hierophis viridiflavus) were basking in the shadow.
Saw nothing in the sun.
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Re: Too high for a few species?

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:29 pm

Jürgen Gebhart wrote:Surely not too high.


Are you sure this might not be too high for the geckoes, Jürgen? They usually can't persist very well in areas where there's frost in winter, no?
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Re: Too high for a few species?

Postby Jürgen Gebhart » Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:47 am

You are right Jeroen, I was checking some areas where I found them and the maximum was 350 m.

So no Geckos Niklas.
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Re: Too high for a few species?

Postby Niklas Ban » Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:30 am

Ok thanks for the help. So I have to live without geckos here. :(
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Re: Too high for a few species?

Postby Liam Russell » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:55 pm

Jeroen Speybroeck wrote:
Are you sure this might not be too high for the geckoes, Jürgen? They usually can't persist very well in areas where there's frost in winter, no?


I found Tarentola in central Portugal last year a week after a heavy frost in the area, the people I was staying with said frosts were reasonable frequent there. It wasn't that high thought, only about 300m ASL.
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Re: Too high for a few species?

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:01 pm

Liam Russell wrote:
Jeroen Speybroeck wrote:
Are you sure this might not be too high for the geckoes, Jürgen? They usually can't persist very well in areas where there's frost in winter, no?


I found Tarentola in central Portugal last year a week after a heavy frost in the area, the people I was staying with said frosts were reasonable frequent there. It wasn't that high thought, only about 300m ASL.


Somehow the altitudinal range on the Iberian Peninsula seems to differ from elsewhere. I should check the Italian atlas (as I think it has altitudinal freqs with each map, not sure).
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Re: Too high for a few species?

Postby Liam Russell » Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:16 pm

Yes, you're right about that. Arnold states up to 400m but up to 1400m in southern Spain.
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