trip for Vipera walser

trip for Vipera walser

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Tue Jul 05, 2016 2:12 pm

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Re: trip for Vipera walser

Postby Mario Schweiger » Tue Jul 05, 2016 2:18 pm

nice report, Jeroen ;)
.... and you are absolutely right :
I love salamanders but photographing them…


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Re: trip for Vipera walser

Postby Pablo Deschepper » Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:46 pm

Thanks for the report and..congrats to Bob I guess.. :D
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Re: trip for Vipera walser

Postby Yannick Francioli » Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:38 am

Awesome ! I plan to go see them as well later this summer, I hope I'll have your luck.
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Re: trip for Vipera walser

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:35 pm

Yannick Francioli wrote:Awesome ! I plan to go see them as well later this summer, I hope I'll have your luck.

Thanks. We found 9 walsers with 14 people, including some of probably the best snake finders in Europe (not me, as you will know...), so it takes a bit of effort, but it's worth it - the place is lovely and the fairly high abundance of aspis and Coronella adds to the fun.

Perhaps I should warn you that the Corpo Forestale is keeping an eye open, as we experienced ourselves very quickly. Our encounter with them was very friendly, though, and we applauded their effort.

It may be up for debate if that's really what these vipers need, but one guy mentioned that if more people like us would come, it would benefit their means to protect the area...
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Re: trip for Vipera walser

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:36 pm

Here's a thought.

Is there anyone who thinks we are setting a bad example (doing this trip)...?
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Re: trip for Vipera walser

Postby Mario Schweiger » Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:41 pm

Jeroen Speybroeck wrote:Here's a thought.

Is there anyone who thinks we are setting a bad example (doing this trip)...?


dont think so.
As long there are "coordinates" :lol: in the publication - and not only in the walser one. if one will find the location of a species, he will get it very quick
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Re: trip for Vipera walser

Postby Niklas Ban » Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:07 pm

Jeroen Speybroeck wrote:Here's a thought.

Is there anyone who thinks we are setting a bad example (doing this trip)...?

No, I was quite impressed about your timing ;) (a week after the paper was published, coincidence? :lol: )
If I got the time, I would literally go next week.
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Re: trip for Vipera walser

Postby Martti Niskanen » Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:33 pm

Jeroen Speybroeck wrote:Is there anyone who thinks we are setting a bad example (doing this trip)...?


Nah. As Mario stated, if someone wants to find them, they'll find them by reading the paper. Good thing you didn't bump into any collectors.
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Re: trip for Vipera walser

Postby Ilian Velikov » Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:37 pm

Jeroen Speybroeck wrote:Here's a thought.

Is there anyone who thinks we are setting a bad example (doing this trip)...?


Not really. I agree that locations like this could be easily in some cases or with some effort in others found by whoever wants to find them. I'm actually starting to think that all this secrecy around locations is unfortunately more or less pointless (I'm not advocating publicly sharing that information though). I guess the only way to fight this is that:

Jeroen Speybroeck wrote:but one guy mentioned that if more people like us would come, it would benefit their means to protect the area...


People need to have some benefit (preferably economical) to want to protect animal species...Sad but true.
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