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Re: Menorca Oktober 2010

PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 3:46 pm
by Gabriel Martínez
I love the criticals and this kind of answers, with this things I think everybody who love mediterranean herps can learn more!! Thanks again and if you would know news please let me know them! ;)

* Nice pictures Bobby, the Hemidactylus photo is wonderful!!!!!!!!!!! and the Macroprotodon in habitat very interesting ...

Re: Menorca Oktober 2010

PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:46 am
by Peter Oefinger
Thanks Bobby, these xl-pictures are great. I must see the perspicillata sometimes!
Jeroen: as far as I understood: the cucullatus is an introduced population from Africa?

Re: Menorca Oktober 2010

PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:57 am
by Jeroen Speybroeck
Peter Oefinger wrote:Jeroen: as far as I understood: the cucullatus is an introduced population from Africa?


It would seem that apart from the endemic Podarcis and Alytes muletensis, the majority, if not all, of the Balearic herpetofauna would be related to introductions.

Re: Menorca Oktober 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:06 am
by Jeroen Speybroeck
Peter Oefinger wrote:Jeroen: as far as I understood: the cucullatus is an introduced population from Africa?


Only lilfordi, pityusensis and muletensis have been found as fossils. Some references.

Bufo viridis =>
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/b ... 3/art00004

Macroprotodon =>
http://molevol.cmima.csic.es/carranza/p ... otodon.pdf
but actually already Colom (1978)

Natrix maura =>
http://www.springerlink.com/content/nl857r734101151m/

Testudo graeca =>
Rivera & Arribas (1993), but actually already Boscá (1877)

Testudo hermanni =>
Barbadillo et al. (1999)

Trachemys scripta =>
obviously...

Emys =>
http://www.cefe.cnrs.fr/ebv/pdf/Fritz%20et%20al.%202005.pdf
"While this has been interpreted as a postglacial range expansion of haploclade II turtles through the Rhône corridor for northeastern Spain (Lenk et al., 1999; Mascort et al., 2000; Fritz, 2003), the syntopic occurrence of haplotypes IIa and Va on Mallorca is thought to be the result of an introduction of pond turtles by man (Fritz et al., 1998; Lenk et al., 1999)."
"While on Mallorca haplotypes (IIa, Va) of two distinct lineages persist until today, the turtles on Menorca are
bearing exclusively haplotype Va. Interestingly, Menorcan turtles are morphologically similar to specimens from Mallorca. Except their smaller size, turtles from both islands resemble in gross morphology normally native haplotype IIa populations, but differ significantly from pure E. o. galloitalica. This provides evidence for a loss of haplotype IIa on Menorca (Braitmayer et al.,
1998; Fritz et al., 1998; Lenk et al., 1999; Fritz, 2003)."

Podarcis siculus =>
http://vipersgarden.at/PDF_files/PDF-043.pdf

Scelarcis =>
http://search.livjm.ac.uk/BIE/BIE_docs/bij_736.pdf
http://193.137.39.3/pessoas/podarcis/Mi ... logeny.pdf

Tarentola =>
http://www.iucnredlist.org/apps/redlist/details/61578/0

Re: Menorca Oktober 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:15 am
by Mario Schweiger