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Re: New snakes

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:09 pm

Tomas Mazuch wrote:we have new "species"(as act of nomenclature)

New species are (or at least should be) acts of taxonomy, not of nomenclature. New names (be it at species level or any other) are acts of nomenclature.

Tomas Mazuch wrote:I thought, that whether we like it or not, the types of new species were designated and will be exist forever, whether the taxa will be valid or not.

Correct, but to what end? If invalid, the names are imho little more than a nuisance.
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Re: New snakes

Postby Mario Schweiger » Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:28 pm

The name of the new viper is Pelias shemakheninsis, or better ;) Vipera shemakheninsis.

Abstract:
The analysis of steppe vipers from different parts of the Caucasian Isthmus and from isolated part of the area in the
foothills of southern macroslope of the East Caucasus showed the specific status of the latter that it made it possi-
ble to describe new species — Pelias shemakheninsis sp. nov.


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Re: New snakes

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:10 pm

OK, so what do we have? A new species based on morphological data of 2 males and 10 females. Unfortunately, like the Darevskia pontica paper by the same authors without any molecular evidence. Poor English and 4x "eriwanesis" (sic). If anyone thinks the mentioned diagnostic features are valuable from a taxonomic perspective (thus at least fall outside of clinal variation), I would be interested to learn about it.
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Re: New snakes

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:20 pm

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Re: New snakes

Postby Mario Schweiger » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:53 pm

Always better than Vipera olguni TUNIYEV et al. (2012): 2 males, 5 females and their offspring (7 newborns) :lol:

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Re: New snakes

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:44 pm

Mario Schweiger wrote:Always better than Vipera olguni TUNIYEV et al. (2012): 2 males, 5 females and their offspring (7 newborns) :lol:

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It seems indeed that we have responded similarly to these authors before ;)
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Re: New snakes

Postby Peter Oefinger » Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:09 pm

This summer seems to be extremely boring: We are talking about taxonomy, birds, insects, fishing lures... What's up, guys?
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Re: New snakes

Postby Mario Schweiger » Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:53 pm

Peter Oefinger wrote:This summer seems to be extremely boring


Peter,
have you seen it or even catched him?
Please let him go, so we all can have some fun with him :lol:

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Re: New snakes

Postby Wolfgang Wüster » Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:43 am

Does anyone have a pdf of the Azemiops paper?
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Re: New snakes

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:49 pm

Peter Oefinger wrote:This summer seems to be extremely boring: We are talking about taxonomy, birds, insects, fishing lures... What's up, guys?

:lol:
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