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These are some photos of lizards from west Cantabria (from the border with Asturias to about 30 km inward). I'm not entirely sure about the species ID for all of them, so I'd like to see what you guys think. I'm going to post them per location with the species name I think they are. You let me know if you think otherwise.

1. Podarcis muralis - 650m asl; on a stone wall of a house in a village.

2. Podarcis muralis - 600m asl; on a roadside bridge.

3. Podarcis guadarramae - 600m asl; on a roadside bridge (same location as 2)

4. Podarcis guadarramae - 600m asl; on a roadside bridge (same location as 2)

5. Podarcis guadarramae - 600m asl; on a roadside bridge (same location as 2)

6. Podarcis guadarramae(juvenile) - 600m asl; on a roadside bridge (same location as 2)

7. This one got me confused. Any ideas? - 600m asl; on the side of a dirt road.

8. Podarcis guadarramae - 930m asl; on a rock cliff face with large boulders and low vegetation.

9. Podarcis guadarramae - 930m asl; on a rock cliff face with large boulders and low vegetation.

10. Podarcis guadarramae - 930m asl; on a rock cliff face with large boulders and low vegetation.

11. Podarcis guadarramae(juvenile) - 930m asl; on a rock cliff face with large boulders and low vegetation.


The following ones are from the Picos de Europa area at about 1850m asl. I'm almost certain that the first one is Iberolacerta monticola (cantabrica ssp.?) but the rest were younger individuals which I find very difficult to identify.

12. Iberolacerta monticola

13. Young Iberolacerta or Podarcis?

14. Young Iberolacerta or Podarcis?

15. muralis?

16. muralis?

17. muralis?

18. muralis?

19. ALthough this one looks a lot like muralis I'm almost sure it's a sub-adult Iberolacerta. The overall proportion of the head, the pholidosis and the slight tint of yellow/green that is starting to show on its neck all point to Iberolacera. This is also why I got really tangled with identifying the other individuals. After seeing it for myself and doing some research it seems sub-adult I.m. cantabrica can indeed look a lot like muralis.

There's only pics with the first five that I can see, but those seem correctly IDed to me.

have added images 6 - 12, but the others havn't been uploaded.

Mario

Jeroen Speybroeck wrote:There's only pics with the first five that I can see, but those seem correctly IDed to me.

The forum seems to crash whenever I try to upload more than 10 photos. After that it wouldn't even open from the same IP. I'll try to add the rest.

Mario Schweiger wrote:have added images 6 - 12, but the others havn't been uploaded.

Thanks Mario!

Added the rest of the photos. Let me know what you think.

Nobody wants to have a go at ID-ing these?

I'm not the Iberian lacertid specialist
But I think, all specimens, having distinct light lateral stripes are muralis

Mario Schweiger wrote:I think, all specimens, having distinct light lateral stripes are muralis

+1
For me, pictures 7, 13-19 show Podarcis muralis.

Isn't muralis supposed to (always) lack a dark dorso-lateral line (the one above the light one) like in 13 ?

Also for 19, it's hard to see on this photo but I have other photos of the same individual and rostral touches frontonasal, and supranasal touches first loreal...

Ilian Velikov wrote:Isn't muralis supposed to (always) lack a dark dorso-lateral line (the one above the light one) like in 13 ?

Not always.

Anyhow: For picture 13 I wouldn't bet...