D.O.R. Cres, Croatia

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D.O.R. Cres, Croatia

Postby Soeren Moeller » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:26 pm

Hi everybody, I have few experiance with determination of reptiles, especially in the meditarranean. During my family holiday this year on the island cres (end of july to the beginning of august), we found two dead snakes on roads, which were in no good state. Perhaps a determination is possible, nevertheless.
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Re: D.O.R. Cres, Croatia

Postby Michal Szkudlarek » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:43 pm

The 3rd from the bottom looks like Natrix natrix persa for me.
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Re: D.O.R. Cres, Croatia

Postby Ilian Velikov » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:05 am

I'd say first one - Telescopus fallax, second one - Malpolon insignitus.
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Re: D.O.R. Cres, Croatia

Postby Ruggero Morimando » Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:42 am

Michal Szkudlarek wrote:The 3rd from the bottom looks like Natrix natrix persa for me.


Ilian has seen the right species: Telescopus and Malpolon. The snakes are only two.
The white longitudinal stripe you see, which induced you to incorrectly think at a striped Natrix, is actually simply (at least it seems to be) the whitish vertebral spine which shows itself, due to the advanced rotting status of the body.
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Re: D.O.R. Cres, Croatia

Postby Mario Schweiger » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:18 am

Ruggero Morimando wrote:
Michal Szkudlarek wrote:The 3rd from the bottom looks like Natrix natrix persa for me.


Ilian has seen the right species: Telescopus and Malpolon. The snakes are only two.
The white longitudinal stripe you see, which induced you to incorrectly think at a striped Natrix, is actually simply (at least it seems to be) the whitish vertebral spine which shows itself, due to the advanced rotting status of the body.

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Re: D.O.R. Cres, Croatia

Postby Berislav Horvatic » Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:19 pm

Michal Szkudlarek wrote:The 3rd from the bottom looks like Natrix natrix persa for me.

With uniformly coloured, more or less whitish, belly scales?! (See the 2nd photo from the bottom - I'd
say those in the left part of the picture are belly scales... or what? If not, I will apologize publicly...)

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Re: D.O.R. Cres, Croatia

Postby Soeren Moeller » Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:30 pm

Many thanks for your help ! We haven't seen a living Malpolon unfortunately, but we were lucky to find a baby-Telescopus outside the sanitary house of our camping site at night (unfortunately without camera).
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