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Show your Salamandra

Postby Liam Russell » Fri May 18, 2012 10:30 am

There have been a lot of great topics with many fine Salamandra salamandra pictures lately, which is undoubtedly a very good thing. Seeing as the fire salamander is one of the most variable species in Europe with lots of subspecies and lots of variation within subspecies, I thought it might be good to have a thread which shows different Salamandra from all over the place.

I'll start, although unfortunately I only have some S. s. gallaica to show.

Firstly some with lots of red from the Portalegre region of Portugal

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The next are from the Coimbra area without any red, but some not so pretty brown

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Re: Show your Salamandra

Postby Tom Hoogesteger » Fri May 18, 2012 11:23 am

The only adult salamandra I have seen is this one from Piemonte, Italy. 900m asl.

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Re: Show your Salamandra

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Wed May 23, 2012 10:30 am

I really need to spend some time spicing up this thread....
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Re: Show your Salamandra

Postby Liam Russell » Thu May 24, 2012 10:11 am

Jeroen Speybroeck wrote:I really need to spend some time spicing up this thread....


Yes please!
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Re: Show your Salamandra

Postby Andre Schmid » Thu May 24, 2012 10:13 am

Here a few from SW Germany..I believe Salamandra salamandra terrestris or so ?

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Re: Show your Salamandra

Postby Kenny De Boeck » Thu May 24, 2012 10:59 am

Andre Schmid wrote: Salamandra salamandra terrestris or so ?


Yes, a very nice one ;)
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Re: Show your Salamandra

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Thu May 24, 2012 11:27 am

Fire salamander (Salamandra salamandra)

--- Salamandra salamandra salamandra
Don't have too many of those...

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juvenile from NE Greece

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old larva from Bulgaria

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adult from Romania, sometimes considered a separate subspecies (carpathica)

--- Salamandra salamandra fastuosa
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--- Salamandra salamandra bejarae – parts of Spain, spotted
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--- Salamandra salamandra bernardezi - parts of NW Spain, striped like fastuosa, but much smaller
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--- Salamandra salamandra alfredschmidti - like previous, but with some funny colour morphs (see also http://www.sabine-deschandol.com/trip2007/trip2007.html)
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--- Salamandra salamandra gallaica - Galicia, Portugal, ...
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--- Salamandra salamandra gigliolii – (S) Italy, broad, wavy pattern
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this pregnant female from N Italy might actually also be gigliolii, or rather subsp. salamandra… =>
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--- Salamandra salamandra morenica – parts of S Spain, often with red pigment
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--- Salamandra (salamandra) longirostris – restricted to isolated part of SW Spain, may represent full species; has a rather pointed snout and no red pigment (in contrast to nearby Spanish subspecies)
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juvenile

--- Salamandra salamandra crespoi; restricted to S Portugal; rather variable
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male of uncertain subspecies (SE Portugal) in typical show-off pose, looking for a mate

--- Salamandra salamandra terrestris
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From NE Spain (Catalonia), sometimes consider a different subspecies (hispanica).

The rest is from my own home town.

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female depositing larvae in ditch with floating leaves

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another at water’s edge

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spots tend to fade with age, as partially visible on this one’s flanks

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larvae in the water

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female swimming across dirty water

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temporary home for a collection of 10 animals that were sampled for DNA (population genetic study) – note the orange one

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daddy and a juvenile

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mating

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dissociated after mating, because … it was two male action in fact !

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juv

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orange and regular

--- Missing – S.s. almanzoris, (disputed) S.s. beschkovi, (disputed) S.s. werneri

Corsican fire salamander (Salamandra corsica) – more or less the same, but more stubby toes, shorter limbs and head, and often very irregular (but beautiful) spots

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herpers in salamander habitat

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Alpine salamander (Salamandra atra)

--- Salamandra atra atra

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as flipped (left), with a terrestrial phase Alpine newt (Ichthyosaura alpestris)

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--- Salamandra atra aurorae

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--- Salamandra atra pasubiensis

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Lanza's Alpine Salamander (Salamandra lanzai)

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Re: Show your Salamandra

Postby Rok Grzelj » Thu May 24, 2012 12:38 pm

Some locals...
Salamandra atra running...
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Salamandra salamandra...too fat to run
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and the habitat 50m from my home..
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and question for Jeroen; which subsp. is supposed to be the S.atra from SW Slovenia?
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Re: Show your Salamandra

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Thu May 24, 2012 12:50 pm

Both species together at that same spot, Rok?

Rok Grzelj wrote:which subsp. is supposed to be the S.atra from SW Slovenia?

S.a. atra, although they're in a different clade than the blackies from the Alps s.s.
Results have been due for a long time already...
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Re: Show your Salamandra

Postby Rok Grzelj » Thu May 24, 2012 12:57 pm

No...they are not from the same spot... atra occurs in the same area but on higher altitude...from cca 600 m.a.s.l and they are connected with the alpine ones
as the mountain chain is connected with the Julian alps in NW Slovenia
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