Jurgen and Paul have a splendid time in Israel: The South

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Re: Jurgen and Paul have a splendid time in Israel: The South

Postby Jürgen Gebhart » Wed May 30, 2012 4:29 am

I don`t have any idea. will that pics help?

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Re: Jurgen and Paul have a splendid time in Israel: The South

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Wed May 30, 2012 8:49 am

Paul Lambourne wrote:For the top boys,( 150 species +) trips must be different.. and difficult...

Mmm... Somehow, it's rather relaxing to revisit places where you don't have that much to grab anymore ;)
After the twitching comes the enjoying, or something like that.

Thomas, is the Eirenis taxonomy settled and stable? I was/am under the impression that the species currently recognised are 'but' morphospecies, lacking some molecular backing so far?
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Re: Jurgen and Paul have a splendid time in Israel: The South

Postby Mario Schweiger » Wed May 30, 2012 9:47 am

For biochemical data on Eirenis see PDF-0523 in DB:
Nagy, Z.T., J.F. Schmidtler, U. Joger & M. Wink (2003): Systematik der Zwergnattern (Reptilia: Colubridae: Eirenis) und verwandter Gruppen anhand von DNA-Sequenzen und morphologischen Daten.-- Salamandra 39(3/4): 149 – 168.

Jürgen, your Eirenis semms to be a coronella.
Its hard from the pic, but coronella has bars, while in lineomaculatus the blotches are not aranged in real bars and also form a bit of longitudinal, but broken stripes.
To separate them for sure: coronella 15 dorsal scale rows, lineomaculatus 17.

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Re: Jurgen and Paul have a splendid time in Israel: The South

Postby Gabriel Martínez » Wed May 30, 2012 9:55 am

I had the same trouble in the ID of Israel eirenis. Mario gave me a good response: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=820&start=10
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Re: Jurgen and Paul have a splendid time in Israel: The South

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Wed May 30, 2012 10:03 am

Mario Schweiger wrote:For biochemical data on Eirenis see PDF-0523 in DB:

Thanks! Forgot I had this too :oops:
Your mind is like an encyclopedia, Mario!
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Re: Jurgen and Paul have a splendid time in Israel: The South

Postby Thomas Bader » Wed May 30, 2012 10:40 am

I think, this is Eirenis coronella, the crown is completely missing, a quite typical individual!
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Re: Jurgen and Paul have a splendid time in Israel: The South

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Wed May 30, 2012 11:09 am

Michael Glass wrote:What matters is the length of the largest Macrovipera! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Alfa male... Length's a number too :P
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Re: Jurgen and Paul have a splendid time in Israel: The South

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Re: Jurgen and Paul have a splendid time in Israel: The South

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Wed May 30, 2012 12:54 pm

Michael Glass wrote:
Jeroen Speybroeck wrote:Alfa male... Length's a number too :P

Jeroen - I hope that you got my joke and you just acted like you did not, didn't you?


Maybe ;) :lol:
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Re: Jurgen and Paul have a splendid time in Israel: The South

Postby Stéphane Aubry » Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:01 pm

Stunning report and pictures !

I was there 3 times in the 80's for birding but I think I would go back for herping !
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