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Postby Mario Schweiger » Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:48 am

I think I know, what some of you will do forthcoming late winter/early spring ;)
http://vipersgarden.at/literatur/database/details_page.php?PDF_Nr=7026

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Re: for salamander lovers

Postby Peter Oefinger » Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:25 pm

I think I know some dutch guy who has made his winter plans now :lol:
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Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:10 am

Imho, a poorly substantiated taxon. Small sample size and about as divergent as the spotless population on Karpathos is in comparison with the others.
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Postby Mario Schweiger » Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:14 am

Jeroen Speybroeck wrote:Imho, a poorly substantiated taxon. Small sample size and about as divergent as the spotless population on Karpathos is in comparison with the others.

for sure, but maybe somebody wants to have pics of all ssp.
I'm not sure, if all described sp. are good species - maybe ssp. or even nothing :oops:

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Re: for salamander lovers

Postby Bobby Bok » Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:17 am

Interesting to see the range extention (curious to see where it ends) but otherwise not worth the trip for me I guess... This kind of variation is also visible within other species such as L. fazilae and L. antalyana and I highly doubt the validity of this taxon.
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Re: for salamander lovers

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:14 am

Agreed, Bobby.

Is this range extension really that spectacular? If Wouter B. and I can find (albeit smaller) range extensions for Speleomantes in Italy in a single weekend, I would imagine in Turkey there's quite some ground left to be covered?

Mario Schweiger wrote:for sure, but maybe somebody wants to have pics of all ssp.

Of course, you're right.
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Re: for salamander lovers

Postby Bobby Bok » Fri Aug 22, 2014 4:28 pm

Not spectacular but interesting all the same. I guess range extensions will continue to be found for Lyciasalamandra. For me it is always a limited time issue; I would love to spend time outside the known range seeing how far east/west/north they occur. On the other hand, in only a week time I prefer to see just as many (new) species as possible. But who knows... On future trips...
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Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:24 pm

Yeah, that's the naturally way of things for me too. First twitching, then exploring. :oops:
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Re: for salamander lovers

Postby Mario Schweiger » Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:51 am

Bobby Bok wrote:Not spectacular but interesting all the same. I guess range extensions will continue to be found for Lyciasalamandra. For me it is always a limited time issue; I would love to spend time outside the known range seeing how far east/west/north they occur. On the other hand, in only a week time I prefer to see just as many (new) species as possible. But who knows... On future trips...


and another new ssp.: Lyciasalamandra antalyana gocmeni.
See:
Akman, B. & O. Godmann (2014): A new subspecies of Lyciasalamandra antalyana (Amphibia: Salamandridae) from the Lycian Coast, Turkey.- SALAMANDRA 50(3): 125–132.- PDF-7235 in db.
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