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Gender of Eirenis?

Postby Mario Schweiger » Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:44 pm

You may find both genders (masculine and feminine) for the snakes Eirenis.
Following JAN, 1863 it should be feminine

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But mostly it is written masculine!?
Anybody knows, which is the correct one?
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Re: Gender of Eirenis?

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:25 pm

http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/Balkan ... essage/227
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I should check if I ever found the answer, although I'm ever since living in the assumption that it should be masculine.
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Re: Gender of Eirenis?

Postby Mario Schweiger » Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:34 pm

Will ask the Eirenis pope at the next chance ;)

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Re: Gender of Eirenis?

Postby Mario Schweiger » Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:08 pm

And here is the answer of Josef Schmidtler:

Lieber Mario,
Du hast die mitgeschickte Seite gerade hinter E. rothii abgeschnitten, dahinter kommt aber noch „E. fasciatus“. Das ist die einzige der in der Originalbeschreibung aufgeführten Arten mit einer adjektivischen und geschlechtsspezifischen Endung. Und die lautet auf –us (und neben nicht –a). Damit zeigt der Erst-Autor, dass die Gattung Eirenis männlich sein soll! Die Taxa unter „var. decemlineata etc. sind insoweit nicht relevant; denn das lateinische Substantiv „var.“ = „Varietas“ (Varietät) ist weiblich und das Geschlecht des Namens folgt in solchen Fällen immer dem Geschlecht dieses Begriffs und nicht dem der Gattung. Aus „E. collaris var. decemlineata“ wird daher bei einer systematischen Aufstufung der Artname E. decemlineatus. Und weil wir gerade dabei sind: E. coronella bleibt E. coronella, denn „coronella“ ist kein Adjektiv, sondern ein Substantiv („Krönlein“). Das ganze Durcheinander ist übrigens vor allem dadurch entstanden, dass die meisten Eirenis-Arten aus der Gattung Contia überstellt wurden und Contia halt weiblich ist („Contia decemlineata“ war daher korrekt).


in English:
Mario, you cutted the sent with page below E. rothii. But it follows "E. fasciatus". Thats the only listed species in the original description of Eirenis with an adjectival and gender related ending. And this is -us and not -a. Therefore the first author shows, the genus Eirenis should be masculine! The taxa, named within "var. decemlineata" etc. are not relevant. The latin substantive "var." = varietas is feminine und the gender of the species name in such cases allways follows the gender of varietas and not the gender of the genus. Raising "E. collaris var. decemlineata" to species level it turns to E. decemlineatus. E. coronella ist correct, because "coronella" is a noun (small crown).

Everything is clear now ;)

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Re: Gender of Eirenis?

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:41 am

OK, but what about Eirenis africana?
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Re: Gender of Eirenis?

Postby Mario Schweiger » Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:23 am

Must be Eirenis africanus!

All this comes from most of Eirenis sp. first have been within Contia, which has female gender.
1st Description Contia africana => Eirenis africanus

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Re: Gender of Eirenis?

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:52 pm

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Re: Gender of Eirenis?

Postby Mario Schweiger » Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:18 pm

Michael Glass wrote:I bet one can make a paper out of that. :twisted:


I told this to Sepp Schmidtler yesterday too - and a multilingual one would be the best!
His answer: "Start with one in Austrian dialect" :lol:

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Re: Gender of Eirenis?

Postby Berislav Horvatic » Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:24 pm

... das lateinische Substantiv „var.“ = „Varietas“ (Varietät) ist weiblich und das Geschlecht
des Namens folgt in solchen Fällen immer dem Geschlecht dieses Begriffs und nicht dem der
Gattung.
(The latin substantive "var." = varietas is feminine and the gender of the species name in
such cases allways follows the gender of varietas and not the gender of the genus.)


Where can this statement be found "officially", as a prescribed rule? In which particular
nomenclature code, which paragraph?

Does it also apply to the infraspecific rank "forma"?

It certainly does NOT apply to subspecies, as one has e. g. Hierophis viridiflavus ssp. carbonarius,
not ssp. carbonaria, although the Latin word "subspecies" is feminine, just like "varietas" and "forma".
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Re: Gender of Eirenis?

Postby Jeroen Speybroeck » Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:00 pm

No idea, Bero, but (a) subspecies are of course conjugated (or how do you call that?) like species names and (b) the guy who wrote this is more or less a god in these matters ;)
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