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Re: Swiss

Postby Tom Hoogesteger » Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:17 pm

Very nice atras! Also the slimy one!
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Re: Swiss

Postby Heiko Wehner » Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:53 pm

Very cool shots of beautiful animals and scenery. :)

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Re: Swiss

Postby Pierre-Yves Vaucher » Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:14 am

Nice shots !! Is the automn mating usual for snakes ?
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Re: Swiss

Postby Andre Schmid » Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:31 am

Thanks ! As far as I know its common in the aspis type of the european vipers. I saw some same scenes in my terrarium with Vipera seoanei. The pelias grupe (berus groupe) only mates in spring, I believe.

But I dont know how it is in the colubrid parts...
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Re: Swiss

Postby Mario Schweiger » Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:37 am

Pierre-Yves Vaucher wrote:Is the automn mating usual for snakes ?


For Vipera aspis - YES!
In autumn is the important time for spermatogenetic activity. Period of spermatocytogenesis and spermiogenesis is in summer and early aut5umn. Therefore sperm is available in autumn and in spring. Vipera aspis may mate in autumn and in spruing. n spring the first shedding of males is after the mating time!

A good reference would be: Nilson, G. & C. Andren (1997): Evolution, systematics and biogeography of palearctic vipers. In: Venomous snakes, Ecology, Evolution and snakebite (Eds. Thorpe, R.S., Wüster, W. & A. Malhotra), Symposia of the Zoological ociety of London. Oxford University press 70: 31 - 42.

Sorry, I dont have it, but maybe Wolfgang.............

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Re: Swiss

Postby Pierre-Yves Vaucher » Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:01 am

Thanks Mario !
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Re: Swiss

Postby Daniel Kane » Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:36 am

The book 'The Encyclopaedia of Snakes" by Chris Mattison, which I have been reading recently, has a bit about reproductive strategies in temperate species - in species which produce sperm over the active season, like the European vipers with the 'aspis type' mating system, a pre-hibernation mating will serve to reduce the possibility that the snakes will not find each other (or other mates) in spring and therefore waste a breeding season. The females, once mated in autumn, store sperm in their reproductive system (lower part of the oviduct) over the winter and use it to fertilise the eggs which ovulate in the following spring.I don't think that the autumn mating will have an impact on spring mating (at least not for the female) though because I'm sure that the snakes will take the opportunity of fresh sperm over 6 or 7 month old sperm. Not so sure about the males which mated in autumn though, as they may have less sperm available than males which did not... I think there have been studies done which show that stored sperm has reduced fertility compared to fresh.

Not on a European species, but there was a study on sperm storage in an American species;

Aldridge, R. (1992) Oviductal anatomy and seasonal sperm storage in the southeastern crowned snake (Tantilla coronatum). Copeia, 1992(4): 1103-1106.

Some rattlesnakes ((some populations of Crotalus viridis viridis), Crotalus willardi, Sistrurus miliarius sterckeri, Sistrurus catenatus) mate in late summer or autumn and store sperm over winter to fertilise eggs the following spring, so this is not just a European thing. Seemingly an adaptation to a short active season and the problems associated with it.
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Re: Swiss

Postby Pierre-Yves Vaucher » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:59 pm

I knew the phenomenon of sperm storage in spermathecae with Salamandra but not with aspis :o
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Re: Swiss

Postby Jürgen Gebhart » Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:02 pm

I know sperm storage from Agistrodon contortrix, Crotalus atrox, Crotalus vegrandis and Salamandra algira.

For the mountain species of rattlesnakes (Crotalus lepidus, aquilus, tristeriatus etc.) the breeding season is in May and June and the Neonates are born in the next year also from May till July.
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Re: Swiss

Postby Jürgen Gebhart » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:46 pm

Daniel Kane wrote:Some rattlesnakes ((some populations of Crotalus viridis viridis), Crotalus willardi, Sistrurus miliarius sterckeri, Sistrurus catenatus) mate in late summer or autumn and store sperm over winter to fertilise eggs the following spring,


The females of the mountain rattlesnake species don`t store the sperm. They start with the development after the mating during the summer.
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